My advice, as a guy who has traveled down a similar path, it sounds like your son is headed, sit him down and have an intervention. Do it, only once, be blunt, honest, and harsh about what he's doing and the repercussions. He should know you care enough about him that you'll drop everything and give him some tough advice. Ultimately, its his choice to take the advice, and if he chooses to keep acting in the same fashion, then it's all on him. You did what you could. What do you all have to lose? His family is headed for certain break up of he does not change his ways. Perhaps a serious talking to by his parents is what he needs. If it fails, you tried. As I said, do this only once, and once finished, dont bring it up again, and nag at him about it. As much as you can see the error in his ways, it's his life and his consequences. Some people have to learn the hard way. You cant live his life for him. When he looks back at his life, later on, he will see you tried. I hope it all works out for you all.
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How do you talk about your adult children, who is getting ready to royally screw up things
by Tameria2001 ini have two sons, both in their 20's.
the youngest son has it all figured out, and he is doing great, but my older son (2 years older than his brother) well that is a totally different story.. my eldest has always wanted to do things the hard way, and he has always been this way.
my husband and i done our best to guide them when they were younger, but we ultimately let them make their own decision in the matter, whatever ever it might have been.
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Watchtower analysis on Tony Morris
by corruptgirl ini never post on here.
i am sanchy's wife.
i posted my coming out story about 3 yrs ago.
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Incognigo Montoya
So far the only thing is a letter a GB helper sent in response, basically brushing it off with "unknown" scenarios, and to give Top Shelf Tight Pants, the benefit of the doubt. I suspect they'll not say another word about it and just let it blow over. But I bet we never see Ol Tony in a public setting like that again
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Rock band titles from JW history / culture
by sir82 inon another thread, undercover suggested "adam and the dinosaurs".. i came up with these:.
green bible dinosaurs.
jezebel and the fornicators.
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Tony Morris and the Destroyers
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I think I made up my mind
by paradiseseeker ina month ago i travelled alone to italy for three days and i had the opportunity to visit the beautiful florence and re-visit many parts of rome.. but most importantly, i had the opportunity to stay alone and think about my situation and to make up my mind.. i've had very clear for almost 5 years that i will eventually leave the religion, but i couldn't decide when.. but now i know : i will leave on april 20th, the day after the memorial.. that day i will talk to my parents (this is by far the hardest thing to do) and soon afterwards i will talk to my closest friends, then i will send my disassociation letter.
i know that i will let them down, i will hurt them, most probably some of them will cry... but i need to live coherently for the first time in my life.
i'm sure that living in this contradiction is affecting and will affect my mental health and it's time for me to help myself instead of others.
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Incognigo Montoya
Your life is yours to live. Backing out won't discredit you. It would be understandable. You are going against everything you've ever known. Like jumping out of an airplane for the first time. A great many people back out, many times over, for understandable reasons. You've got to do it when you're ready. Sounds like you've been contemplating this for quite some time, and given it a lot of thought. So you should. But it sounds like you've made the right decision for you. How you execute that decision, and how quickly you do it, is also up to you. It's not a race. For some, quick and clean, like tearing off a bandaid. For others a slow and steady fade is best. Do what is best for you (though once you start the process, by divulging your intention to leave, and your apostasy, you are committed and you need to have the resolve to see it through, immediately. Like parachuting, once you've jumped, you cant change your mind and crawl back in the plane!) But if you back down, and it takes a few times to build up the courage and finally go through with it, then that's ok..no one here is gonna judge you for that. I will say that the faster you start living your life, the happier you'll be, and the easier it will be. Good luck and let us know how it goes!
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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch
by UnshackleTheChains ini was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).
you can't write this stuff.
right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans ๐..
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Incognigo Montoya
Bourne, we're reading from the same playbook, my friend.
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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch
by UnshackleTheChains ini was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).
you can't write this stuff.
right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans ๐..
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Incognigo Montoya
Btw, how do you guys highlight others quotations? I have been trying but it has me stumped, lol.
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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch
by UnshackleTheChains ini was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).
you can't write this stuff.
right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans ๐..
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Incognigo Montoya
MMM:
Oh so you are saying that if he wasnโt buying, I would have gotten council?
Maybe, maybe not, but how could he? He didn't have a leg to stand on. Perhaps he wouldn't have cared, regardless. A great many elders wouldn't have. But that is not the standard by which the organization holds itself, "beyond reproach".
MMM:
And when I would visit an elderโs home with liquor cabinets stocked, that too is elder โprivilegeโ?
Not necessarily, but there's a difference between what you do, privately, behind closed doors, and what you are seen doing publicly. Again, perception.
This was drilled into me since I was a small child, by my father, by the elders from the platform, at assemblies, and in publications. So much so, that it is part of my make up. I am constantly aware of how my actions are being perceived by others. It's actually served me well for the most part, but that's beside the point here.
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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch
by UnshackleTheChains ini was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).
you can't write this stuff.
right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans ๐..
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Incognigo Montoya
MMM, please see my above, revised statement. (It seems I added to it, after you commented. Sorry)
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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch
by UnshackleTheChains ini was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).
you can't write this stuff.
right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans ๐..
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Incognigo Montoya
MMM, well I would say you had leverage. ๐
If he was doing the same thing, he had no ground to stand upon, to council you. This is the argument we are making about TM. He stands upon high moral ground, giving harsh council to his 8 million sheep, critisizing and condemning petty actions, and then he's spotted doing something that the average jw would easily be questioned and counciled on, if another JW were to observe and rat him out to the elders.
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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch
by UnshackleTheChains ini was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).
you can't write this stuff.
right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans ๐..
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Incognigo Montoya
Bourne, I was with you up and to the baseball cap and fake Groucho Marx disguise. I think that's pretty far fetched, perhaps you were being facetious? Up until that, I think that's been the culture of jw-dom for the last 50 years, or at least since I've been associated, and, if anything, I find it to be a bit more lax in recent years, but my perception is only of a few congregations I've been a part of. And we all know that the personality of a congregation can vary depending on the local and the disposition of elders and others in the congregation. But, the overall mantra, always give a good witness by our deeds and actions, never do anything that may be perceived as wrong, so as to stumble others. Appearances are everything. Perception is often grounds for council and prying to see if further action is warranted. So in that sentiment, you are absolutely correct.